Welcome to the forum TightPants, wonderful story.
Why did you sugar-coat your replies to Tweedle Dee & Tweedle Dum? :)
The Searcher
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Surprise Elders Visit
by Tight Pants Twinkle Toes inhello community!
quick background - baptized 1971, 46 years in the borg, former elder.
wife - baptized 1973, pioneer...... we became disgusted with the oranization 10 years ago but still believed it was the truth.
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DA myself to relieve great pressure?
by Isambard Crater inmy lifelong mental illnesses, fuelled significantly by the borg, are very bad at the moment and result in me missing lots of midweek meetings, but i haven't missed a sunday in years except the occasional vacation.. the nature of my mental and emotional illnesses mean that i, as a physically in and mentally out pimo, take to heart very painfully admonishment from the platform to never miss meetings, preach all i can, and so on.. okay, i report 3 hours each month on average and no elder has ever said anything, but when they make comments on the platform, i feel such great guilt and shame, but also anger, as they do not understand my illnesses and when i do mention my situation to elders, they kind of minimise and joke about it.. some other sisters in my congregation started "officially" not attending midweek meetings a few year's ago because of their own health circumstances, but i know for a fact that some elders look down on them for this reason, not showing real understanding deep down even if they do on the surface.. i have reached the point where i want to hand in a da letter as a cry for help, or more like a clear indicator to them that when i say i'm not well enough to attend midweek, i really mean it and it's not just an excuse.
sure, i'm only 42, but i can still be too fragile to go out at night with a 30 minute drive both ways..
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The Searcher
Isambard, you have a P.M.
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If you were a J.W. before July 2013..................
by The Searcher in....................then you couldn't have been "in the truth" nor was "the truth in you" until july 2013, because that month's watchtower was dedicated to reversing the following 8 "truths" and replacing them with opposing "truths".
you'd been believing and teaching falsehoods.. these are for any new members and those j.w.
's who visit here who have not seen this list before.
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DREARYWEATHER, I stand corrected. It appears that some reversals are older than 2013, while the rest were only revealed in July 2013:
5. The faithful & discreet Slave was appointed at Pentecost 33 C.E. (page 20, par 3) (changed to 1919)
6. The 'domestics' are only the anointed. (page 23, par 13) (up until 2013, only the 'anointed' were domestics)
7. There is an 'evil slave class'. (box on Page 24) ("evil slave class" became "hypothetical" in 2013)
8. Jesus appointed the FDS over all his belongings in 1919. (page 24, par 15,16) (changed until after the G.T.)
DARKSPILVER said, "Of course, 'The Searcher' is clever - see how Point 7 was slipped in.."
Since you are clearly in the dark about Point 7, I'll explain it simply: Up until 2013, the org has always taught J.W.'s that there was an "evil slave class." That "truth" was abandoned & reversed in 2013 - thanks to Christendom's statement that Jesus was speaking hypothetically. Clear?
Why are you trying to assert that a blatant corruption & reversal by the org (in 2013) is somehow a fallacy on my part? Very curious!
Please, in case nobody has realized..... DARKSPILVER appears to be quite bitter about something. Is he in reality an active Bethelite assigned to troll sites such as this? No more feeding from me.
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If you were a J.W. before July 2013..................
by The Searcher in....................then you couldn't have been "in the truth" nor was "the truth in you" until july 2013, because that month's watchtower was dedicated to reversing the following 8 "truths" and replacing them with opposing "truths".
you'd been believing and teaching falsehoods.. these are for any new members and those j.w.
's who visit here who have not seen this list before.
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The Searcher
VH7 - Watchtower JULY 15 Study Edition.
Ucantnome - you're probably right, and if so, the org was shooting itself in foot by informing later recruits of its past failed "truths" which were subsequently reversed.
My favourite is the "hypothetical evil slave" reversal - because it was one of Christendom's seminaries in the U.S.A.* which came up with this "new light", only for the alleged "faithful slave" to hijack it for their own ends and make it look like their "inspired expression.
* see the NET Bible footnote for Matthew 24:48.
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If you were a J.W. before July 2013..................
by The Searcher in....................then you couldn't have been "in the truth" nor was "the truth in you" until july 2013, because that month's watchtower was dedicated to reversing the following 8 "truths" and replacing them with opposing "truths".
you'd been believing and teaching falsehoods.. these are for any new members and those j.w.
's who visit here who have not seen this list before.
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....................then you couldn't have been "in the truth" nor was "the truth in you" until July 2013, because that month's Watchtower was dedicated to reversing the following 8 "truths" and replacing them with opposing "truths". You'd been believing and teaching falsehoods.
These are for any new members and those J.W.'s who visit here who have not seen this list before.
1. The Great Tribulation started in 1914 & ended in 1918. (page 3, par 3)
2. The judging of the sheep and goats began in 1914 (page 6, par 10)
3. Those who die before the Great Tribulation and have rejected the Kingdom message will not be resurrected. (page 6, par 10)
4. Charles Taze Russell preached "the truth" for decades - that all anointed were going to heaven in 1914. (page 12, par 8)
5. The faithful & discreet Slave was appointed at Pentecost 33 C.E. (page 20, par 3)
6. The 'domestics' are only the anointed. (page 23, par 13)
7. There is an 'evil slave class'. (box on Page 24)
8. Jesus appointed the FDS over all his belongings in 1919. (page 24, par 15,16)
Maybe it's worth researching some of the org's current "truths" for yourself.
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The Satisfying Decline Of My Old Congregations Donations
by pale.emperor inaccording to the uk charity commission, my old kingdom hall is hemorrhaging money and less is coming in.
long may it continue.. any ideas what a crappy, run down, shack of a kh spends £49,472.87 on in three years?
they were praying for a new hall for about 10 years until bethel basically stole it off them to build warwick.. .
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@ D.S. I only said, "It will be interesting to see in 12-18 months which ones have been sacrificed for filthy lucre."
I wasn't making a specific prediction or prophesying. It'll still be interesting to see!
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The Satisfying Decline Of My Old Congregations Donations
by pale.emperor inaccording to the uk charity commission, my old kingdom hall is hemorrhaging money and less is coming in.
long may it continue.. any ideas what a crappy, run down, shack of a kh spends £49,472.87 on in three years?
they were praying for a new hall for about 10 years until bethel basically stole it off them to build warwick.. .
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The bottom line is that every congregation is financially "running on fumes", due to their having to send all monies in excess of 3-6 months running costs to the Branch - as a donation!
On the subject of donations - bearing in mind that I don't fully comprehend financial statements - it appears that the combined value of the IBSA and WTBTS in the U.K. (assets & cash) exceed £259m. (over $330m)
As such, J.W.'s in the U.K. should be asking their elders why donations are continually being requested to help fund the new Britain Branch at Chelmsford. It's anyone's guess how much it will actually cost, but considering the data, it doesn't take an Einstein to figure out that it will be a helluva lot less than £260m!
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Road Sweeper vehicle ploughs into JW Carts
by darkspilver inin newcastle town centre.
uk.. the chronicle live.
15 june 2017.. a council worker will stand trial after he was accused of being drunk at the wheel of his road sweeper in newcastle city centre.. john paul carruthers, who has since resigned from his post at newcastle city council, was allegedly over the legal drink-drive limit when he ploughed into a jehovah’s witness stand on northumberland street near to haymarket metro station.. prosecuting, james long told newcastle magistrates’ court: “the allegation is that he was driving a newcastle city council road sweeper when he collided first with a jehovah’s witness stand next to haymarket metro station.
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The Searcher
Was the driver of the road-sweeper "spirit" inspired?
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JW Cart encounter
by Listener ini've seen very few carts in western australia.
the only one i have seen is near the front entrance of the perth royal hospital and on the several occasions that i have seen it, they are there all day, at least during the week.
i've stopped and had long conversations twice now and both times when i have approached them they've told me to take whatever publications interest me and then we've started talking.this last visit i brought up the royal commission.
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The Searcher
Well handled Listener. J.W.'s need to be encouraged to seriously consider what they are told by the org - and not just swallow it and regurgitate it for others.
If ever any J.W. repeats the org's mantra - "that they are told to call the Branch for instructions," I will simply ask them;
"If a non-J.W. raped your child or wife, if your house caught fire, or if you suffered a heart-attack, would your instincts tell you to 'phone Bethel for advice? Any decent human being knows exactly who they would contact immediately in such situations!"
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Should a JW accept Veteran payments?
by Tantalon inhello people,.
i was born in but long time faded.
i think i hold current jws to a higher standard than they now maintain.. here's the thing; my father is very old, in his nineties and been a jdub for over 60 years and even made it to elder till he got too old.on a recent visit my siblings and dad were saying how wonderful that veterans affairs were.
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The Searcher
J.W.'s in Russia are accepting awards from the man who has just vilified and banned their religion!
How insane is that?????????????
The Warwick H.Q. of J.W.'s sanctioned and encouraged the parents to accept the award - I'd bet my house on it! There's no way the Russian elders or the Branch would have cleared this - they'd have passed such a precarious decision up the pyramid to the "glorious ones" in N.Y. state.
They in turn saw it as an excellent propaganda opportunity - and used it as such!